TURKEY outraged over French Parliament bill that penalizes denial of the Armenian Christian Genocide by Ottoman Turks in WWI
Posted: December 22, 2011 Filed under: Religion of Hate Leave a comment »
KUDOS TO FRANCE: It’s about time somebody called the Turkish Muslim genocide against 1.5 million Armenian Christians what it is: ‘GENOCIDE’
Todays Zaman France took the first step on Thursday to criminalizing the denial of genocide, including the 1915 mass killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks, prompting Ankara to recall its ambassador for consultations.
The approval of a bill by French Parliament that penalized denial of “Armenian genocide” in France has drawn strong
condemnation from both the Turkish government and the opposition.
Despite strong protests by Turkey, French lawmakers in the National Assembly — the lower house of Parliament — voted overwhelmingly in favor of the bill, which will now be debated next year in the Senate. The bill makes denial of the alleged Armenian genocide a crime punishable by a one-year prison sentence and a fine of 45,000 euros.
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan called Wednesday on President Nicolas Sarkozy’s rival, the Socialist Party, to re-evaluate the step the ruling party took and “correct the mistake” in the Senate, so that “relations can go back to their usual rhythm soon enough.”
However, Socialist Party leader Francois Hollande made it clear earlier that his party was in favor of the denial bill when it was around in 2006 and would still display the same attitude this time around.
Prior to the French vote, thousands of Turks gathered in downtown Paris to protest the French Parliament over the denial bill, a movement organized by hundreds of Turkish-French civil society organizations. Protestors interviewed by the Reuters news agency before the voting started told the agency that they regarded the vote as an attempt at censoring their freedom of expression, as they expressed their belief that such rhetoric emerged whenever elections were held in France.
Severed Heads from Armenian Genocide
In 2001, France recognized the so-called genocide, creating a crisis between Turkey and France, as French export levels dropped by 40 percent in the aftermath, as international media speculated that it was Ankara’s unofficial messages that discouraged Turkish companies from getting involved in business deals with their French counterparts. When a similar denial bill was brought to Parliament in 2006, Turkey froze military relations with the country and suspended over flight rights, but the 2006 bill was dropped earlier this year by the French Senate.
Child Victims of Genocide by Turkish Muslims
The disputed genocide of 1915 has been a matter of a fuming discussion between Turks and Armenians, as Armenians claim that Ottoman Turks carried out a systematic and mass murder of Armenians with the aim of eradicating them in the country. Turks say the Armenians were deported when they took up arms against the state at a time of chaos as the Ottoman Empire crumbled and modern day Turkey’s founders were fighting a political and armed war against foreign forces that tried to take over the country.
Turkey also recalled its ambassador in Paris as “the initial reaction” against French Parliament approval of the bill, a previously announced response to the possible approval of the bill.
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When I first heard this report on the ABC last night I took a double take. Finally the French are getting the message from Geert Wilders across the boarder in Holland, and Belgium has lost its innocence this week as well. Every country in the world that has been affected by Turkish Genocide (AND THERE ARE MANY) should do the same thing – right away. Keep at them. They are doing it right now to the Kurds. Its no fantacy. The Turks have a strange idea of scotching rumors, by committing more genocide on those who speak up.
Good enough for you “Hollis” and “D”. This is what we are on about. The massacre of millions of people and that will include you and me when they get the chance.
Whilst the French are correct in rejecting ‘Denial’ I think it is dangerous for ‘Freedom of Speech’ to create a process of ‘Denial Bills’ making it a criminal offence to deny something. This idea could also evolve into the creation of denial bills on any subject which could also pave the way for creation of false knowledge history. Totalitarian governments are good at creating ‘False Knowledge Denial History.’
Surely there are enough good people in the world that can stand for truth, without the need of ‘Denial Bills.’ The creation of museums and libraries of history that preserve the truth is a far wiser action.
Allan, perhaps, but I’m in favor of doing anything that pisses off muslims.
BNI,
I understand and agree… but I want to wipe out Islam, not just upset them. And while we are fighting we must also look behind our back and make sure we are at all times protecting ‘Freedom of Speech,’ in every which way. If we defeat Islam and lose ‘Freedom of Speech’ as exists now in China and Russia we have still lost.
In Sydney kast year when the /Armenian people tried to erect a memorial to those people murdered by the Turks, they rounded up all their Muslim cohorts and demonstrated at the place of the Memorial against the Armenian people (the few still alive). Definatey a bunch of sociopaths and totally in denial.
France is turning into a world leader in showing the right course on how to handle muslims and there false history if only we could say the same.
BLR, that’s right, I seem to be posting one story a week of their crackdowns on muslims. If only they would elect
Marine Le Pen.
Don’t count the French out (Asher). Time to make the Turks stand on their own with out NATO. Particularly after what they pulled on US in Iraq.
ICE, they should be kicked out of NATO and barred from even asking for membership in the EU.
it wasn’t a turks and armenians genocide, it was a muslim and christian genocide.
That is a perfect sign of the difference between east and west. In Turkey it is a crime to even suggest a genocide happened.
And what did we get out of the whole thing? the f&*(ing Kardashians
Darrell, LOL!
here’s a short video on the armenian genocide.
it seems muslims have their own version of a trinity–looting, raping, and genocide. wouldn’t it be kind of funny if some armenian “terrorists” got a hold of some dirty bombs or suitcase nukes that russia lost control of when their empire crumbled? just a politically incorrect thought.
Caravan, An Armenian Tragedy – Film by Shervin Youssefian.
The inspiring true story of the Armenian people and their journey into the 21st century.
http://www.chgs.umn.edu/museum/exhibitions/homememories/NYT1.jpg
Thanks Maria, I’ll add that.
Gosh, maybe the French will also realize their own hypocrisy and stop bashing Israel for every little justified thing it does against the Arabs……
Nah, just wishful thinking….
That’s what you get from a bunch of stupid turkeys….
You knew someone was going to have to say that, BNI
The only security for Non Islamic Societies, is to destroy Islam through Total War. Eradicate the pestilence of this Demonic Ideology, or else suffer the the above Consequences, for all Democratic Nations.
There is no Peace to be had with Islam. For starters sign the “Ban Islam” petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/MYSTIC/petition.html
GUARDIANS OF DEMOCRACY ARISE, OR ELSE!
Yes, Allan. This is the first thought came in to my mind. Rejecting ‘denaila’ would impair our freedom of speech. BUT, look, the Muslims are, already, using this right to their evil agenda and against us. Besides, as you well know there is no freedom what so ever in Islam. That would happen if we don’t fight Islam with all what we have. When we are finished with this war then we correct what was done.
I don’t know the first thing about the Turkish Muslim Genocide and I have no desire to so I have no problem taking the facts in your article for granted. GO FRANCE!!!!
Of course Muslims can’t own up to mass murder because unlike the West that actually leaves war zones, Muslims just stay and take over.
The Armenian and Greek genocides were Muslim genocides against Christians and Yezidis.
They should be looked at as one larger genocide with a religious rather than ethnic or national basis.
We need to take every instance of genocide and publicize the hell out of it. Its the only way to prevent people from installing those who would kill their own citizens in positions of power.
This was the first genocide we know about against Christians in modern times. Turkey should hang their heads in shame for what they did and apologize to those families left and the world for the wanton killing and starvation they caused against Armenian Christians. One can understand why they don’t want the world to know about this – its coming to a country near you.
I’m surprised that the French are on the right side of this issue – perhaps the French have started to wake up – Lord knows the Muslims in their country would do the same to them in a heartbeat.
Denying historical FACT is in essence, lying. Seems to be ‘Part and Parcel’ of Islam. Not an attack on Islam as much as it is a simple observation. No one, not even Muslims can stand for truth upon a pedestal of deceit. Surely, they will fall.
ronyvo,
I agree we must take out Islam first because they will destroy our freedom. But at exactly the same time as a constant it is imperative that we watch our backs and make sure freedom of speech is preserved in total.
If we defeat Islam and discover that we have neglected our rights and lost our treasured freedom of speech, it means we have to fight another “Totalitarian war.” When does it end?
In China freedom of speech does not exist, not even on the Internet. Censorship rules the Internet and jail time is often a consequence. Russia is still not free and yet Gorbachev was supposed to have ended the cold war and freed its people- censorship still rules Russia, enforced by inprisonment.
We are fighting Islam for the same reason we have fought Nazism, Fascism, Communism and any other Totalitarian …ism’ to stop oppression and preserve the right to freedom of speech and freedom of choice. All ‘Totalitarian regimes are cruel- South America has a disgusting history of lack of freedom- oppression still thrives.
Islam is far more evil because of its incest, sexual abuse of children and women. But the difference is Islam is open about it. In reality such evil behaviour has thrived in all ‘Totalitarian regimes.’
To win we must simultaneously fight to eliminate Islam, and preserve ‘Freedom of Speech.’ Half a victory is not victory. Allowing one evil to replace another evil is not victory. Give me freedom or give me death!
For this reason I shall give Islam and all other Totalitarian Belief Systems no quarter.
Goodbye ASSLIFTERS!! Judgment is coming!…..Merry Christmas!!!…….ASSLIIFTERS!!!………
A UNIVERSAL PROCLAMATION TO ALL PEOPLE OF ISLAM, Published by the National Society of Defence, The Seat of the Caliphate
The fatwa issued by the Sultan in 1915 gave Turks permission to murder 3 million Christian subjects of Turkey over the next 7 years.
SUPREMACISTS NEVER SAY ‘SORRY’.
Turks are supremacists as are all Moslems.
Thank you, BNI, for publishing this.
Mozzies, have you no shame and no decency?
Good for France starting to do the right thing. We can only hope they’ll only keep it up
Just another reason why those mongolian monsters shudnt get anywere near the european union genocide committing animals
Hey France ! Do you ever wonder what your life would be like if you had, in place of the rioting, thieving, burning, raping, perpetually outraged, wefare sucking muslims, a Jew in place of every one of them ?
Quiet streets ? Areas of your city where no one was afraid to go ? City streets free of butt pointing supposedly praying but truly demonstrating traffic and commerce disrupters ? Silent Synagogues that did not amplify to deafening volume the Ayyyeeeee yibbledy-yabbledy five times a day ? Kosher food instead of tortured to death meat from dirty, disease ridden facilities ? People with long beards and funny hats that didn’t preach sedition or teach children to kill you ? People of a different religion who were basiclly French instead of non-assimilating heathens from the 7th century ? French citizens who didn’t attempt to legislate their religion on everyone ?
It would be a lot different, wouldn’t it ?
Bob, if you haven’t read these 2 articles, you should: http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/europe-thy-name-is-cowardice/
Instead of being outraged the turks ought to be profoundly ashamed of the behavior of their forefathers and themselves living in present time!
“Instead of being outraged the turks ought to be profoundly ashamed of the behavior of their forefathers and themselves living in present time!”
Ashamed…Why? Not only were we able to get rid off 99 percent of the Christians in Turkey, but today we are strong enough to threaten France and cyber attack their government websites. And what are you going to do about it? Europe is bankrupt and fast moving to irrelevancy. In some EU countries Muslims are the fastest growing demography, either through birth or immigration. And only god knows what this is going to bring. And the U.S. is litterally exhausted from 10 years of war. For crying out loud Iran managed to bring down one of the most advanced UAV they operate. This is unheard off. Western civilization is in serious decline.
I was just in France a month ago, in Paris there are whole There are neighbourhoods that are run by Islamic law, I never saw that in Turkey. ı wonder what will happen if Muslims made up 20-30 percent of the population instead of 8–10 percent? Brace yourself.
I was on a paris train this evening. A frenchman was talking about this in english to some foreigners (could have been American) saying it was the Jewish lobby blah blah. As I got off I said “nice defence of genocide – not an easy thing to defend so good attempt.” The little prat went ape shit – calling me a fascist, an anti-Muslim racist, neo-con etc. I think he was hoping there were some Muslims on the train to step in but luckily there weren’t. The guy just came off looking a bit crazy.
Good for you, Pek. We all need to speak out in public.