Defense Minister Jason Kenney took the strange step of invoking a comparison with Sharia law in an online debate over the legality of a ban on niqabs during the swearing of oaths at citizenship ceremonies.
I believe people taking the public Oath of Citizenship should do so publicly, w/ their faces uncovered. Do you agree? http://t.co/5UxKm2sMKe
— Jason Kenney ن (@jkenney) October 17, 2014
iPolitics Coming the day after Prime Minister Stephen Harper extended an unprecedented invitation to Muslim Canadians to break their Ramadan fast at 24 Sussex, the comment appears unlikely to help heal any divisions created by the government’s pursuit of a ban on face coverings at the ceremonies.
The exchange began late Monday night on Twitter, with Kenney touting the religious diversity of members on the government’s new Religious Freedom Advisory Committee. Twitter users almost immediately hit back at the minister, asking how he can be committed to religious freedom but willing to force women to remove a religious garment before becoming citizens.
One of the users, ex-CSIS operative and counter-extremism expert Mubin Shaikh, said: “Very respectfully, sir: U know full well that the choice of veil in public spaces is protected in Law.”
Kenney tweeted back, “What law would that be? Certainly not under shariah law during the very public Haj, when hiding one’s face is prohibited.”
@CaliphateCop What law would that be? Certainly not under sharia law during the very public Haj, when hiding one’s face is prohibited. — Jason Kenney ن (@jkenney) June 23, 2015
That comment quickly sparked some angry replies, including criticism of Kenney for the timing of his tweet.
@CaliphateCop@jkenney During Holy Month of Ramadan no less. #nowords#cdnpoli
— Dave Belyea (@ve5rb) June 23, 2015
Kenney’s spokeswoman, Lauren Armstrong, said in an email that the minister has said repeatedly over the past several years that it is not a religious obligation to be always veiled in public — and in the absence of a religious obligation there’s no merit in framing the debate around wearing a niqab while swearing a citizenship oath as a matter of religious freedom.
“That was the point conveyed in his Twitter posting, that the Koran itself forbids face coverings in certain public settings, a point made to the Minister by many Canadian Muslims who object to this being disingenuously framed as a religious freedom question,” Armstrong said. “It is wrong to conflate an obscure cultural tradition that is derived from the treatment of women as property rather than people with a bona fide religious freedom claim.”
The continued debate over the niqab comes less than a week after the government introduced a bill — likely doomed to die on the order paper once the election writ drops — that would ban the wearing of the niqab during citizenship ceremonies.
Critics, including the National Council of Canadian Muslims, have panned the bill as a cynical move to manufacture an election-year wedge issue.
“It is very disheartening that our government is spending so much time and effort to revive what is essentially a manufactured issue which appears to be being used for political purposes,” Ihsaan Gardee, the NCCM’s executive director, said in a press release after the bill was announced.
While the government’s 2015 legislation, the Oath of Citizenship Act, is unlikely to become law, the government has said it was introduced to give Canadians a sense of what the Harper government’s legislative agenda would be if it were re-elected.
When I saw that picture of the full burqa woman, I thought they would say: “Hey Robin?! Let’s go back to the bat cave in the bat mobile”!
The day terrorist wearing (whatever they call it) and cross dressing attire launch an attack in Canada or the United States, these politicians will be jolted to their senses. In this climate the government should prohibit the wearing of any attire that can compromise the safety of the Prime minister or Canadians in general.
Good points are made.
Outside of saudi, there are more baghead per square inch in britain than there are in most other muzzie countries. Not a religious requirement at all.
Freedom of speech will end this friday.
Britain first have been issued with an high court injunction to stop all appearances of its leaders into Luton.
The police are effectively trying to subdue anyone who speaks the truth about Islam.
http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/crime/breaking-beds-police-applies-for-injunction-to-ban-britain-first-leaders-from-luton-1-6812981
Sorry BNi if i have done wrong posting the link.
I got an email about that. Shocking, even for IslamoLuton.
Why are we surprised when we have a PM who said he longs for the day when there is even a muslim in Number 10(PM)? Well,we have many more years of this yet,the electorate have spoken,apparently,so now we must put up with more islamification of the UK and kiss goodbye to free speech and truth.
Extremely horrifying.
All support for Harper and Kenny. The face veil is not worn when doing the march around the block of stone. Show your face if you want to be a citizen of Canada. Be thankful that Canada will even let you in the door based on your evil islamic cult.
Wearing an Islamic ski mask isn’t necessary to practice the religion, and it most certainly should be illegal in these situations.
Anyone engaging in any legal proceeding should be legally required to have their face visible so that they can be identified by witnesses and officials involved.
Not surprisingly, the ONLY religion on the planet that would have any problem with anything rational like this and that would claim “oppression” is Islam. Islam is the most irrational, theocratic, and fascist religion on the planet and it should never be allowed to take precedence over things like public security or public health concerns.
I am no legal scholar.
But the way I interpret Kenney’s response to this ass hole is like this:
When Shaikh says;
“Very respectfully, sir: U know full well that the choice of veil in public spaces is protected in Law.”
Shaikh is insinuating that wearing their headbag/veil in public is afforded protection by “Canadian law”.
Kenney’s response is mocking him, IMHO.
When he asks Shaikh “What law would that be?”, he’s baiting him, methinks.
THEN he states that the moslem face covering ISN’T EVEN PROTECTED UNDER THEIR SHARIA LAW, since the stupid tits are forbidden to wear ANY face covering when they trapse around the monkey box in mecca, during their haj.
THAT is his point…
Why should itBE PROTECTED UNDER Canadian law when it isn’t given the SAME PROTECTION under sharia, during their pilgimage to Saudi Arabia, which is as sharia compliant as ANY place in their sick world.
I would argue this in a court of law, and I think I’d have a shot at winning that arguement.
This final statement indicates to me that old Shaikh missed the point completely.
“This is gold. Invoking ShariahLaw as a basis for your argument. I really never thought I’d live2see the day. :)”
What say you Emma?
AmboyD.
I’m not emma but I respond anyway. 🙂
YES this is how I read it too.
I have to look up the section in Sharia to see what it says….
Thanks A-T-K
I referred to Emma as I think she is a “law student”….poor thing. LOL 🙂
It is obvious by her comments she is a bright girl.
FAR WORSE than the EU! The world ruled by power-hungry, corrupt, evil corporations!
http://www.naturalnews.com/050151_farmers_TPP_biotech_patents.html
‘The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP),” is a plot designed to hand over control of the world’s governments to private corporate interests and it is all being done in secret.
Even Congress is not allowed to examine the TPP provisions.”TPP will allow evil corporations like Monsanto to rule over national governments.
“The TPP will eliminate all nation states as the ruling authority and it will be supplanted by corporate authority,”
“ISDS allows corporations to sue governments, for any government action (at any level, including local government level) which hinders a corporation’s future profits.
Literally, Monsanto could provably be poisoning the entire population of a nation and the nation could do nothing which might result in the loss of profits to Monsanto.”
http://www.naturalnews.com/050151_farmers_TPP_biotech_patents.html
This TREASON is far worse than the evil, nation-destroying, freedom-destroying, power-hungry, corrupt European Union who are accountable to no one.
People, get this info out in comments on internet sites!
Food Democracy Now http://action.fooddemocracynow.org states,
“The US senate voted 60 to 37 for it this morning (Tuesday). “The Senate will hold their final vote on Fast Track tomorrow (Wednesday), where it is expected to pass.
If you feel betrayed by today’s vote, we need you to make your voice heard right now!
1. Demand an end to secret trade deals: Stop the Fast Track of Monsanto’s secret trade deal before it’s too late! Every voice counts!”
Americans, Call your senators first thing Wednesday morning!
DESTROYING AMERICA AND THE FREE WORLD.
More info:
http://www.wnd.com
Senate advances fast-track trade bill for Obama
……….Sessions, who has been leading the charge against TPA, is alarmed it would create an international legal body akin to the European Union, one that would have vast powers to change U.S. law, outside of the control of Congress.
He has said one effect would be the bypassing of U.S. immigration laws, greatly increasing the number of foreign workers allowed into the country, costing Americans jobs and depressing wages.
“TiSA would seek foreign worker mobility among 50 nations, including between the United States, Turkey and Pakistan.”…..
Thousands of loyal Americans have been laid off and forced to train the foreign workers brought in to fill their jobs—at Disney, at Southern California Edison, across the country….
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/senate-advances-fast-track-trade-bill-for-obama/#teoIPCXEc2hg3hT8.99
Angry …. in yo face Muslims …. like to cover their faces ?
There is no religious reason or edict in ISlam or in the Quran that forces a woman to fully cover themselves. even the Canadian Muslims Womens Asociation also has stated clearly in canada that it is a choice and not a religious edict in islam.
No,they do it because they can,like a giant two finger salute at any “infidel”. Give ’em and inch and they’ll take a mile.There should be no priveliges afforded to any muslim,none,because if you do,it’s the death wish on that particular country.just because somebody takes an oath of citizenship doesn’t mean they are loyal to it,it’s just a means to an end,it means nothing to them.
http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/reports-is-jihadists-khaled-sharrouf-and-mohamed-elomar-killed-in-iraq/story-fni0cx12-1227410066742
God dam filth, stay out!!!! You want to cover up in garbage bags, stay in the dam middle east! In fact, stay there anyway you welfare leaches!
BRAVO !
That is exactly how I feel.
Dutch Defense League / Raffie Chohan here is a poen about SHARIA that I made:
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SHARIA is a bloody shame
Muslim men are to blame
Why dont they love their wife
And like to stone them alive!
Sharia here, Sharia there
Sharia everywhere,
Filth is not wanted in the West,
Our FREEDOM we like best!
We must have the sharia as law.
We are now in the devil’s claw
No judge more but an imam.
Yummy halal food instead of ham
Non-Muslims burn in Hell and we are not wise.
Every martyr waits 72 virgins in heavenly paradise
The Niquab is a demonstration, not as I understand it, a requirement of the Queeron. It may be required of the women to wear it by their husbands so that they don’t embarrass him by their ugliness, or be suggested by some wierd bullah, gullah, grulla, or what the hell ever, to make them “holyer” and so that their naked faces will not inflame the passions of the infidels. (snort ?)
It will be passed should Conservatives win majority government in October.
I am SO disheartened that Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper sees fit to genuflect to representatives of such a barbarian CULT as islam.
Are there now, so many worshipers of mohammed ensconced in Canada, that a formerly outspoken Christian leader has to belittle himself to try to re-elect his party?
Does he have special events for ALL religions: Jews, Christians, Jains, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Jains and for Agnostics, Atheists…?
Why was this thought necessary? Who whispered in his ear? Did this somehow come from Momzer Zimmo – Heritage Canada’s very own Hamas cheer-leader, or from Calgary’s ahmadi ‘moslem’ mayor?
Is this just one more manifestation of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, which will eventually lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions, and whole civilizations?
Did you ever hear of: “If it ain’t broke, don’t ‘fix’ it!”
I can believe that concentrations of these CULT-followers are numerous enough to affect the elections of the TRUE Canadians. For themselves they CARE NOTHING ABOUT CANADA, they care only about their UMMA, SHARIA, KORAN, MOHAMMED, ALLAH.*
And that is the same in EVERY CIVILIZED country where they insinuate themselves, either as ‘true immigrants’ who become ‘jihadized’, or their children do, or as ‘refugees’ or as ‘converts’.
I could see this ONE step losing him his majority or even being the government in power. It might set the conservatives back twenty years. WHY? Because most worshipers of mo hate the conservatives, for being almost the only country sticking up wholeheartedly for Israel. (We all know how duplicitous obuMBoy is.) And this act of surrender, while gaining precious few moslem votes, might alienate vastly more voters who previously supported the conservatives.
* I would like to see someone do a poll on that: UMMA, SHARIA, KORAN, MOHAMMED, ALLAH, plus possibly FGM, women’s status in court, women’s rights of inheritance, etc. Ask moslems to ‘order’ those items by priority or importance. They could be invited also to add items to the list. That could lead to a further round of polling.
Everything would be done very discreetly and privately, and should have a sample of at least 1,000 in all the major moslem countries or known different mores or styles. Then, when published, statisticians and social anthropologists could have a field day.
Huck, it is very disheartening. And really sickening that Harper had a call to prayer in his living room. And who were the attendees?
…
“OTTAWA – Muslim families gathered at 24 Sussex Drive to break the Ramadan fast Monday night, the first time it’s believed such an event has been held at the prime minister’s official residence.
During the holy month of Ramadan, Muslims fast daily between dawn and sunset. The break-the-fast dinner, called the iftar, is traditionally a festive and spiritual event.
U.S. President Barack Obama hosts an iftar annually at the White House, as has the British prime minister at his official residence.
But Canada’s prime minister has never had one — until now.
“This house belongs ultimately to all Canadians,” Prime Minister Stephen Harper told a crowd of 40 people who gathered to pray and break the fast late Monday night.
“And I hope all Canadians, especially our Muslim friends and neighbours, share in these blessings tonight.”
But in addition to the historical importance of the event, it was also highly symbolic, as Harper himself noted.
“(It) has been said: host who shares iftar brings goodness upon himself,” he said, according to the text of his prepared remarks.
The Conservative government’s relationship with the Muslim community has been tense, with major flare-ups over issues such as a new bill banning face veils during citizenship ceremonies.
Harper has also been criticized for focusing more on radical elements within Islam than on reaching out to mainstream Muslims in the aftermath of terrorist attacks linked to radicalization.
But the mood on Monday night was described as warm.
The call to prayer — held in the Harper’s living room — was led by a young Muslim doctor from Toronto.
Kids at the event played soccer on the lawn while those fasting began the meal with a traditional serving of dates before moving onto a Middle Eastern style buffet.
On Tuesday, the Prime Minister’s Office declined to release a full list of attendees, saying the guests had not been made aware their names could be made public.”
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YUCK.
http://metronews.ca/news/canada/1406376/stephen-harper-hosts-soldiers-families-at-24-sussex/
From the article: “The world is now faced with an enemy who opposes the values we hold most dear: freedom, democracy, tolerance and openness. This enemy is violent jihadism and we cannot and will not ignore the threat it presents to Canadians here at home and abroad”.
Also, Christmas with the Harpers is an annual event. There’s also this: http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=11974
Also: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/197017#.VYsS1RxIn6A
The bill was signed into law last Thursday, the same day Bill C-51 (the anti terrorism act) was signed into law… The timing of which likely played a considerable factor in hosting iftar.
So yeah, I seriously doubt this one event will make or break the election for Harper and the Conservatives.
I agree JRH….
This won’t make a big difference in the Election this Fall. I believe Harper will be our PM.
Most folks don’t understand that Canada is not anti-muslim but we are anti-sharia, anti-islamist, anti-jihad…..nor do they understand that we have muslims here that do assimilate to our culture and values but also keep their faith….and as long as they do not cause trouble, it is perfectly fine for them to do so whether we agree with their faith or not
Islamic State is pure islam. No false constraints, straight from the holy book, no mercy to the infidels and the apostates and the mischief makers. Make an example of them. Didn’t Mo have a ‘bad’ woman’s legs tied to different horses,and then charged the horses to split her in half. Same thing. Oh iand it must be public! Of course.
If someone’s wearing a niqab or any other form of veil, how do you know who the person is? How do you even know if it is a female? We had a situation in London a couple of years ago where two guys sought by the police tried to board a bus wearing full burkas and niqabs.
And is there nothing in the Oath of Citizenship for Canada which requires the person to break Sharia law and hence be punished?
If you want into our counrty then you must respect our values and beliefs or go home
It is a security threat, point blank, THIS IS THE LAND OF OPPORTUNITY, BUT NOT WHEN ITS GONE THIS FAR…..ITS A SECURITY THREAT….BRING BACK ANDY GRIFFIN DAYS, what’s purely not right is not right……BTW Jesus has nothing to do with this …….that country over there, Jerusalem, etc, have sand storms, this is why the covering of the head ………nothing to do with Jesus…..we are all equal…
Why is this a “religious freedom” issue ?
If for Security reasons identification is required, any face covering must be removed in pubic place , in oath taking situation and citizenship ceremony .No religious reasons can be grounds for exemption–
Those who do not agree will be deported to their country of origin irrespective
of how long they have lived in canada – Make it Law .
If they don’t agree deport them.
If canadians want to save themselves from future jihadi attacks they should demand this law not just during citizenship ceremony.
m8, i keep trying to go in to petrol station to pay my bill for petrol. But they wont let me do it in a crash helmet. While muzlem girl walks in with headbag. Wtf?
‘Twitter users hit back at the minister, asking how he can be committed to religious freedom but willing to force women to remove a religious garment before becoming citizens.’
It is not a religious garment. It is a garment of blood. Soaked with the blood of hundreds of millions of non-Muslim innocents barbarically put to death by cruel Muslims over 1,400 years. THEIR BLOOD CRIES OUT FROM THE GROUND TO GOD.
Committed to religious freedom? They call satanic acts, religious? Committed to supporting what the Quran book of hate and eternal war should be done to non-Muslims because they don’t believe in Mohammad’s god?
Forced conversions is NOT freedom of religion. The Punishment of Death for leaving Islam is NOT freedom of religion.
Beheadings, mass murders, tortures, crucifixions, kidnappings and rapes of non-Muslims is NOT FREEDOM of RELIGION.
What ISIS savages do to thousands of captured Yazidi and Christian girls and what Muslims do to thousands of extremely young, non-Muslim white British girls. torturing them and constantly violently gang raping them is NOT FREEDOM of RELIGION.
Political and media elites love to PRETEND that Muslims are all angels of light. Their wicked pretense needs to stop. It’s not conducive to our survival.
No Western country should allow the niqab. Western countries have LAWS that protect women rendering the niqab unnecessary – as opposed to backward Muslim countries where women need to hide in a black bin bag in an effort to keep Muslim male weaklings, who can’t or won’t control their hands and genitals, from molesting and raping females.
Where are the feminists protesting this clear patriarchal mandated oppressive garb?
TO…..islam is totally incompatible with any civilised country/planet,full stop! As for the feminists,they’re just like the pro-gay fraternity who are mysteriously quiet over the throwing of gays off towers in Iraq.They’ll shout loud when it suits,but if you point this out(gays treatment in Iraq)they shrug their shoulders and say”well,that’s religion for you….” leftist cowards.
The cult of death or so called ‘Religion of Peace’ agents and actions are so terrifying that they silence ANYONE or group that would usually speak out about it backwards misogynist ideology.
The feminazi groups that are too busy screaming and DEMANDING free birth control for all, and looking for fake sexism…….YET, are cowards when it comes to Islam and women.
SAME as the animal rights group “:PETA” . It is unbelievable to me that they remain silent on the torturous slaughtering of poor animals for barbaric ‘halal’.
jean…yes,agree.The leftists claim every sympathy with gays,yet not one word about how muslims treat them,not one.Utter contemptible cowards every one of them.Make me want to puke.
Islam is the root of all evil.
More and more they insinuate themselves into western culture using our laws against us. Sharia law must not be allowed to become any part of Canada. Immigrants must comply with Canadian laws, culture, and values.
“If we are practicing muslims, we are above the law of the land.” -Musfafa Carroll, Cair TX
“Ultimately, we (Muslims) can never be full citizens of this country…because thee is no way we can be fully committed tot he institutions and ideologies of this country.” -Ihsan Bagby, -CAIR
What Wilfred Laurier thought of the immigrants wanting to become Canadians in 1907.
«First of all we must insist that the immigrant that comes here is willing to become a Canadian and is willing to assimilate our ways, he should be treated on equal grounds and it would be shameful to discriminate against such a person for reasons of their beliefs or the place of birth or origin. But it is the responsibility of that person to become a Canadian in all aspects of life, nothing else but a Canadian. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says that he is a Canadian, but tries to impose his customs and habits upon us, is not a Canadian. We have room for only one flag, the Canadian flag. There is room for only two languages here, English and French. And we have room for loyalty, but only one, loyalty to the Canadian people. We won’t accept anyone, I’m saying anyone, who will try to impose his religion or his customs on us.» Wilfred Laurier, 1907
David….
Sharia Law was voted on back in Canada….the unanimous vote was a resounding NO! All parties in the House of Commons voted on it.
Harper is also with that sentiment of Wilfred Laurier….he believes in the “one Law for all” and that immigrants must assimilate, but that doesn’t mean that they must throw aside their beliefs while doing so….they just can’t impose those beliefs on Canadians. We follow the Judeo-Christian beliefs in Canada and with the Anti-Barbaric Act that was just given the Royal Assent…Harper is doing his darndest to make sure that all immigrants follow our values.