It isn't Islamophobia when they really ARE trying to kill you
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IN PAKISTAN, if someone else dreams that you have committed blasphemy against Islam, YOU can be killed for it
And you wonder why Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan has just been ousted after losing a no-confidence vote in parliament. But will the new government be any different?
Vice A Pakistani teacher was stabbed to death allegedly over a blasphemy accusation that stemmed from a child’s dream. Safoora Bibi, who taught a religious seminary in the northwestern city of Dera Ismail Khan, was killed on Tuesday by three women who claimed the Prophet Muhammad had ordered her killing in a dream by a child.
The child, a 13-year-old girl, is related to one of the suspects and “had seen a dream last night that the Prophet Muhammad had directed them that the victim had committed blasphemy against the Prophet and that the Prophet had ordered them to slaughter the victim,” Najam Hasnain Liaquat, a police officer investigating the case, told reporters on Tuesday.
Police said Bibi, 21, died of a stab wound to the neck after three women attacked her on Tuesday morning outside the seminary with a knife and stick. Blasphemy is a crime punishable by death in the Muslim-majority country, and accusations of the offense have often been used to settle personal vendettas by turning the accused into a target of criminal investigation or mob violence.
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Az galsays
Pakistan is like a shit stack worse of the worst. They are even worse than the Taliban because they are explosively crazy. Like a Boko Haram country. They would be like ISIS if they could get away with it. I think they have the most inbreeding too. That explains their intelligence & behavior.
Very bad that Pakistan has nuclear bombs; doubt that what vestige of political structure they have can prevent access by a suicide bent jihadist. Better for them to use the bombs on Afghanistan and not make any more.
Coming to your village, your town, your city, your nation, massively imported by our traitor, GOD HATER leaders who ruthlessly colonized our formerly safe, peaceful, happy nations with the devout followers of barbarian savage, warlord Mohammad.
Islam: For 1,400 dreadful years, The CULT of Non Stop Violence, Savagery, Terrorism, Torture, Atrocities and Constant Horror and Terror.
Muslims believe they’ll be rewarded in ISLAMIC HEAVEN by breaking all of God’s HOLY, Eternal Laws that the HOLY ONE, the Most High, our Precious, Awesome Creator, gave to His faithful Jewish servant Moses, thousands of years before the MURDER, BLOOD CONQUEST Cult of Islam was invented.
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing loving kindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the Lord your God gives you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”
Linda, it is strange how language changes the meaning of words. In my different copies of Bibles… The New English Bible says… 13. “You shalt not commit murder.” In the King James Version, my first Bible in 1961 as a birthday present from my parents on my 13th Birthday it says… 13. “Thou Shalt not Kill.” In the Revised Standard Version my second Bible as a young adult, it says… “You shall not kill.”
I have several other later versions, they delete ‘kill’ and replaced it with ‘murder’. the King James Version was translated in 1611- the original English translation. The original Christians before the creation of Roman Christianity were taught ‘Thou Shalt not Kill’.
The ‘Jerusalem Bible’ says… 13. ‘You shall not kill.’
I choose the words ‘Thou Shalt not Kill’ except when sadly necessary in self-defence.
Obviously, it’s “You shall not murder”. God led Israel into many wars, self- defense, defense of family, defense of your country, God allowed capital punishment in the Old Testament. Killing is regrettable but of course necessary at times.
Interesting thought Bill, we need to explore 7,000 other languages to see how they translate that idea… ‘Kill or Murder’.
Problem is the Christian Inquisition & Islam using ‘Blasphemy Law’ do not believe killing, murdering people is wrong. They believed that ‘Blasphemy’ must be enforced by Murder. Hence, I choose my choice of words…
‘Thou Shalt not Kill’ except when sadly necessary in self-defence.
When I read the words of Jesus… I do not believe everything in the Old Testament tabled the truth… in other words, I don’t believe God approved of Capital Punishment. The 6th Commandment tabled by Moses… did say, “Thou Shalt Not Kill’ it did not say “Thou Shalt Not Murder.”
The Satanic Verses in the Koran and the Old Testament authorizing cruel Capital Punishment were not approved by God, because the 6th Commandment said ‘Thou Shalt not Kill” and Jesus opposed Capital Punishment.
God did not approve of capital punishment? Read Numbers chapter 35. Jesus did not clearly reveal His stance on capital punishment. He said I came to fulfill the Law, not to abolish it. Matthew 5:17-18. In John 1:17 For the Law was given by Moses (with God’s direction), but grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. The woman caught in adultery was given grace, though Jesus said he who has no sin cast the first stone. Pharisees were setting a trap for him of course.
God in the Old Testament had to lay the law down, so to speak, for the first dealings with a people ancient and barbarous, which all were then relative to us(?). This was to align them to His ways, away from the pagan nations, for a civil society of His to thrive. His love and compassion was declared, Exodus 34:6, and shown many times. His justice and holiness was also upheld, Hebrews 12:5-11.
The Inquisition was carried out by people that called themselves “Christians”. They were not born again real Christians, just religious zealots. The Inquisition was Satan’s work.
Jesus of course, ushered in the New Testament, replacing some, but not cancelling the OT. He gave us a chance for a personal relationship with God, emphasizing love and grace, but needing repentance.
The entire Bible OT and NT, is God’s Word, written by men but inspired by the Holy Spirit. 2 Timothy 3:16, 2Peter 1:20-21, 1 Thessalonians 2:13. God does NOT change for people, we must adhere to His eternal standards. Malachi 3:6, John 14:6, Acts 4:12, Hebrews 13:8.
Several Hebrew and Greek verbs mean “kill”. The ones used in Exodus 20:13 and Matthew 5:21 specifically mean “murder”; from the NASB study Bible. The NASB is the most literal and close to the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts, of any version.
Bill, you are obviously a keen Christian. We cannot enter into a debate because no one wins debates. We would both walk away with the same opinion still. Ghulam is a Muslim and he has a different point of view again. We all disagree with each other. No one can win debates. ‘Freedom of Speech’ allows us to disagree. I have been bullied many times by Christians in past years, including being unjustly shunned. And falsely called a ‘Blasphemous Man’. I was raised as a Christian and walked away from Christianity in the 1970’s in disgust.
You obviously believe that everything in the Bible is the Truth. Question is… which Holy Book is the truth? The Bible? The Torah? The Koran? The Vedas? Buddhism? Jainism? Sikhism? Book of Mormons? Bahai Faith, Confucianism? Jehovah Witnesses version? All the Ancient Primitive Legends? Australian Aboriginal Legends and Native American Legends are all still believed. Thousands of different beliefs exist. They all believe. Who is right? Who is wrong?
The First Bible was not printed until the 15th Century. And a large percentage of people could not read in the 19th Century. Reading skills evolved in the 20th Century by education training. Most so-called Christians still have not read all of the Bible. Likewise, most Muslims have not all read the Qur’an. Blind belief in a ‘Belief System’ not read does not make sense. You have obviously read the Bible… good for you.
Very few Christians can cope with reading all the link trails I have posted below… recorded volumes of information…
Ps. Bill, I noticed you said, “The Inquisition was Satan’s work.” I can equally argue that the ‘Satanic Verses’ in the Old Testament which authorizes cruel ‘Capital Punishment’ is “Satan’s Work.”
Allan, please don’t look for the forest among the trees. If you really seek to know God, the only God, ask Jesus to reveal Himself to you and He WILL, as I and countless others can attest. Please put aside your early bad experience and be in expectation. He loves you and truly wants a relationship with you. Go ahead, I “triple dog dare you”!
Bill, there is no forest where I am looking. I have been walking with Jesus since 1954 at the age of six years when I attended Sunday School.
But I don’t believe in every word in the ‘Bible’ posted by men. The early Christians lived for three hundred years, generation after generation without a Bible.
Well, since you are in the ‘dare business’, I dare you to read all my collected works on my website and read all my published books.
I know you will not because it is too onerous for you.
You only have to read; I have to do the tough work as guided by ‘God of Creation’.
God? If you’d of been born in India you would most likely of believed in lord krishna and Vishnu etc, if you would of been born in Afghanistan it is very likely you would of believed in allah, imagine for a second, you were born during the Viking era in Sweden. You would of believed in Val halla, you could of even been born in Ancient Greece. Then you would of believed in Zeus or apollo,Poseidon and such.
With the sciences we have now I struggle to understand why there is such beliefs.
I’ve noticed a slight trend amongst countries. In Britain we are chained to the church, many other European counties are the same. The queen is head of state and head of church and our religiousness is dwindling by the day.
In contrast America has a strict division between church and state and yet America is the most religions country in the western world?
I absolutely love learning about space, I just can’t get enough of it, I can barely comprehend the size and beauty of our universe. But we are so insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
Why do humans. Imagine themselves as the centre of the universe?
We learn every day just how beautiful and massive beyond belief the universe is, it constantly expands and has even sped up its expansion.
Even the Ten Commandments. Our morals are inate we don’t need an ancient book written in the infancy of man by desert scribes to telll look us how to behave.
Do you think before the Jews reached mount sinai they needed to be warned that killing and raping your own isn’t good? No.
I’m sorry I’ve ranted here and no offence to any God believing religious person.
We are all intelligent adults here but what seems more likely?
Dan, well said, and yes, I love learning about space, prehistory, evolution and all forms of nature. I love the peace of forever learning more insight about the truth of the Universe. Earth is not the centre of the Universe. And even though we humans have a history of being clever; We also have a history of not being smart in how to wisely use our clever skills. We homo sapiens have a lot more to learn to become wiser.
I know it very well how it goes down there and this is what comes to my mind….“Y’all seen nothin’ yet.”
Couple of years ago, a Pakistani woman saw Prophet Muhammad in her dreams and he had this giant trident with him.
Now the trident is a Hindu symbol so all the VILLAGERS immediately lost their shit. They accused her of witchcraft, and she was beaten up by a mob. Not sure if she survived that ordeal.
Lynching is kind of a national sport in Pakistan. Generally the Pakistani cops don’t intervene whenever the MOB is craving a lynching. They’re either mute spectators or even active collaborators.
Well I do like being surrounded by infidels. I’ll admit they don’t come to blows over every minor disagreement. But they’re still infidels, and I’m going to remind them of that thing. Peacefully, of course. 🙂
Ghulam, in Pakistan it is clear never talk about your dreams. I have never liked Pakistan; I think it is the worst Islamic Country in the world. My impression is that Pakistani’s are not true Muslims and have in culture created a twisted version of Islam interfaced with extremist Hinduism.
The invasion of the Taliban in Pakistan would be a great shakedown of Pakistan Culture.
But then I have never talked about my dreams since they started when I was 8 years old, vanished as a teenager and adult and only came back in old age three years ago linked to pain waking me up.
I cannot see the point of talking about dreams not even to my wife. I simply discard them where they belong in never never land.
What if I had a dream that Khan or some other Muslim savage that consistently slaughters his/her own population insulted Muhammad or even Allah, would he/she have to be killed? The worst part of the story (excluding that the killing of Bibi) is that the slaughter is not mentioned even once in the media. Not even FOX or News Max has mentioned the case on their television networks. I wonder if a Muslim were to be killed in Italy for insulting God if the press would be so silent?
Az gal says
Pakistan is like a shit stack worse of the worst. They are even worse than the Taliban because they are explosively crazy. Like a Boko Haram country. They would be like ISIS if they could get away with it. I think they have the most inbreeding too. That explains their intelligence & behavior.
Cleavis W Nowell says
Very bad that Pakistan has nuclear bombs; doubt that what vestige of political structure they have can prevent access by a suicide bent jihadist. Better for them to use the bombs on Afghanistan and not make any more.
Linda Rivera says
Coming to your village, your town, your city, your nation, massively imported by our traitor, GOD HATER leaders who ruthlessly colonized our formerly safe, peaceful, happy nations with the devout followers of barbarian savage, warlord Mohammad.
Linda Rivera says
Islam: For 1,400 dreadful years, The CULT of Non Stop Violence, Savagery, Terrorism, Torture, Atrocities and Constant Horror and Terror.
Muslims believe they’ll be rewarded in ISLAMIC HEAVEN by breaking all of God’s HOLY, Eternal Laws that the HOLY ONE, the Most High, our Precious, Awesome Creator, gave to His faithful Jewish servant Moses, thousands of years before the MURDER, BLOOD CONQUEST Cult of Islam was invented.
Linda Rivera says
Bible, Exodus 20:2-17
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing loving kindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the Lord your God gives you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”
allanivarsson says
Linda, it is strange how language changes the meaning of words. In my different copies of Bibles… The New English Bible says… 13. “You shalt not commit murder.” In the King James Version, my first Bible in 1961 as a birthday present from my parents on my 13th Birthday it says… 13. “Thou Shalt not Kill.” In the Revised Standard Version my second Bible as a young adult, it says… “You shall not kill.”
I have several other later versions, they delete ‘kill’ and replaced it with ‘murder’. the King James Version was translated in 1611- the original English translation. The original Christians before the creation of Roman Christianity were taught ‘Thou Shalt not Kill’.
The ‘Jerusalem Bible’ says… 13. ‘You shall not kill.’
I choose the words ‘Thou Shalt not Kill’ except when sadly necessary in self-defence.
bill says
Obviously, it’s “You shall not murder”. God led Israel into many wars, self- defense, defense of family, defense of your country, God allowed capital punishment in the Old Testament. Killing is regrettable but of course necessary at times.
allanivarsson says
Interesting thought Bill, we need to explore 7,000 other languages to see how they translate that idea… ‘Kill or Murder’.
Problem is the Christian Inquisition & Islam using ‘Blasphemy Law’ do not believe killing, murdering people is wrong. They believed that ‘Blasphemy’ must be enforced by Murder. Hence, I choose my choice of words…
‘Thou Shalt not Kill’ except when sadly necessary in self-defence.
When I read the words of Jesus… I do not believe everything in the Old Testament tabled the truth… in other words, I don’t believe God approved of Capital Punishment. The 6th Commandment tabled by Moses… did say, “Thou Shalt Not Kill’ it did not say “Thou Shalt Not Murder.”
The Satanic Verses in the Koran and the Old Testament authorizing cruel Capital Punishment were not approved by God, because the 6th Commandment said ‘Thou Shalt not Kill” and Jesus opposed Capital Punishment.
bill says
God did not approve of capital punishment? Read Numbers chapter 35. Jesus did not clearly reveal His stance on capital punishment. He said I came to fulfill the Law, not to abolish it. Matthew 5:17-18. In John 1:17 For the Law was given by Moses (with God’s direction), but grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. The woman caught in adultery was given grace, though Jesus said he who has no sin cast the first stone. Pharisees were setting a trap for him of course.
God in the Old Testament had to lay the law down, so to speak, for the first dealings with a people ancient and barbarous, which all were then relative to us(?). This was to align them to His ways, away from the pagan nations, for a civil society of His to thrive. His love and compassion was declared, Exodus 34:6, and shown many times. His justice and holiness was also upheld, Hebrews 12:5-11.
The Inquisition was carried out by people that called themselves “Christians”. They were not born again real Christians, just religious zealots. The Inquisition was Satan’s work.
Jesus of course, ushered in the New Testament, replacing some, but not cancelling the OT. He gave us a chance for a personal relationship with God, emphasizing love and grace, but needing repentance.
The entire Bible OT and NT, is God’s Word, written by men but inspired by the Holy Spirit. 2 Timothy 3:16, 2Peter 1:20-21, 1 Thessalonians 2:13. God does NOT change for people, we must adhere to His eternal standards. Malachi 3:6, John 14:6, Acts 4:12, Hebrews 13:8.
Several Hebrew and Greek verbs mean “kill”. The ones used in Exodus 20:13 and Matthew 5:21 specifically mean “murder”; from the NASB study Bible. The NASB is the most literal and close to the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts, of any version.
God bless you
allanivarsson says
Bill, you are obviously a keen Christian. We cannot enter into a debate because no one wins debates. We would both walk away with the same opinion still. Ghulam is a Muslim and he has a different point of view again. We all disagree with each other. No one can win debates. ‘Freedom of Speech’ allows us to disagree. I have been bullied many times by Christians in past years, including being unjustly shunned. And falsely called a ‘Blasphemous Man’. I was raised as a Christian and walked away from Christianity in the 1970’s in disgust.
You obviously believe that everything in the Bible is the Truth. Question is… which Holy Book is the truth? The Bible? The Torah? The Koran? The Vedas? Buddhism? Jainism? Sikhism? Book of Mormons? Bahai Faith, Confucianism? Jehovah Witnesses version? All the Ancient Primitive Legends? Australian Aboriginal Legends and Native American Legends are all still believed. Thousands of different beliefs exist. They all believe. Who is right? Who is wrong?
The First Bible was not printed until the 15th Century. And a large percentage of people could not read in the 19th Century. Reading skills evolved in the 20th Century by education training. Most so-called Christians still have not read all of the Bible. Likewise, most Muslims have not all read the Qur’an. Blind belief in a ‘Belief System’ not read does not make sense. You have obviously read the Bible… good for you.
Very few Christians can cope with reading all the link trails I have posted below… recorded volumes of information…
https://allanivarsson.com/2022/04/13/belief-system-islam/
Amongst the links is ‘Blasphemy’ history… and ‘Satanic Verses’.
Remember, I did the hard yards work… reading is the easy part. My website carries more information and so does my eleven published books.
May all the Gods Bless you… one maybe right, question is… which one?
allanivarsson says
Ps. Bill, I noticed you said, “The Inquisition was Satan’s work.” I can equally argue that the ‘Satanic Verses’ in the Old Testament which authorizes cruel ‘Capital Punishment’ is “Satan’s Work.”
bill says
Allan, please don’t look for the forest among the trees. If you really seek to know God, the only God, ask Jesus to reveal Himself to you and He WILL, as I and countless others can attest. Please put aside your early bad experience and be in expectation. He loves you and truly wants a relationship with you. Go ahead, I “triple dog dare you”!
allanivarsson says
Bill, there is no forest where I am looking. I have been walking with Jesus since 1954 at the age of six years when I attended Sunday School.
But I don’t believe in every word in the ‘Bible’ posted by men. The early Christians lived for three hundred years, generation after generation without a Bible.
Well, since you are in the ‘dare business’, I dare you to read all my collected works on my website and read all my published books.
I know you will not because it is too onerous for you.
You only have to read; I have to do the tough work as guided by ‘God of Creation’.
Dan says
God? If you’d of been born in India you would most likely of believed in lord krishna and Vishnu etc, if you would of been born in Afghanistan it is very likely you would of believed in allah, imagine for a second, you were born during the Viking era in Sweden. You would of believed in Val halla, you could of even been born in Ancient Greece. Then you would of believed in Zeus or apollo,Poseidon and such.
With the sciences we have now I struggle to understand why there is such beliefs.
I’ve noticed a slight trend amongst countries. In Britain we are chained to the church, many other European counties are the same. The queen is head of state and head of church and our religiousness is dwindling by the day.
In contrast America has a strict division between church and state and yet America is the most religions country in the western world?
I absolutely love learning about space, I just can’t get enough of it, I can barely comprehend the size and beauty of our universe. But we are so insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
Why do humans. Imagine themselves as the centre of the universe?
We learn every day just how beautiful and massive beyond belief the universe is, it constantly expands and has even sped up its expansion.
Even the Ten Commandments. Our morals are inate we don’t need an ancient book written in the infancy of man by desert scribes to telll look us how to behave.
Do you think before the Jews reached mount sinai they needed to be warned that killing and raping your own isn’t good? No.
I’m sorry I’ve ranted here and no offence to any God believing religious person.
We are all intelligent adults here but what seems more likely?
Did a ‘God’ create man or did man create a ‘God’
Peace to all.
allanivarsson says
Dan, well said, and yes, I love learning about space, prehistory, evolution and all forms of nature. I love the peace of forever learning more insight about the truth of the Universe. Earth is not the centre of the Universe. And even though we humans have a history of being clever; We also have a history of not being smart in how to wisely use our clever skills. We homo sapiens have a lot more to learn to become wiser.
Dan says
Couldn’t agree more Allan.
allanivarsson says
I am waiting for Ghulam’s response.
Ghulam says
Well I’m NOT flabbergasted.
I know it very well how it goes down there and this is what comes to my mind….“Y’all seen nothin’ yet.”
Couple of years ago, a Pakistani woman saw Prophet Muhammad in her dreams and he had this giant trident with him.
Now the trident is a Hindu symbol so all the VILLAGERS immediately lost their shit. They accused her of witchcraft, and she was beaten up by a mob. Not sure if she survived that ordeal.
Lynching is kind of a national sport in Pakistan. Generally the Pakistani cops don’t intervene whenever the MOB is craving a lynching. They’re either mute spectators or even active collaborators.
Well I do like being surrounded by infidels. I’ll admit they don’t come to blows over every minor disagreement. But they’re still infidels, and I’m going to remind them of that thing. Peacefully, of course. 🙂
allanivarsson says
Ghulam, in Pakistan it is clear never talk about your dreams. I have never liked Pakistan; I think it is the worst Islamic Country in the world. My impression is that Pakistani’s are not true Muslims and have in culture created a twisted version of Islam interfaced with extremist Hinduism.
The invasion of the Taliban in Pakistan would be a great shakedown of Pakistan Culture.
But then I have never talked about my dreams since they started when I was 8 years old, vanished as a teenager and adult and only came back in old age three years ago linked to pain waking me up.
I cannot see the point of talking about dreams not even to my wife. I simply discard them where they belong in never never land.
Ghulam says
Chechnya, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia will be pretty excited to hear that: “Yay – we get the Allan Ivarsson pass.:”
allanivarsson says
LOL, cheers Ghulam.
jarmanray says
What if I had a dream that Khan or some other Muslim savage that consistently slaughters his/her own population insulted Muhammad or even Allah, would he/she have to be killed? The worst part of the story (excluding that the killing of Bibi) is that the slaughter is not mentioned even once in the media. Not even FOX or News Max has mentioned the case on their television networks. I wonder if a Muslim were to be killed in Italy for insulting God if the press would be so silent?